Friday, March 31, 2006

Protest supporting immigrants coming to Fort Wayne, Indiana...

As incredible as it may sound it looks like a group of protestors will be marching in Fort Wayne this weekend to show support for ILLEGAL immigrants...

Mike in red

Per the News Sentinel:
Immigration debate sparks rally
Local Hispanic coalition sponsors Sunday gathering downtown to make voices heard on immigration proposals now in Congress.

They certainly have the right to protest as long as it is peaceful... This is America...

By Nicole Lee

Montesino: Illegal immigrants aren’t criminals (Of course they are criminals they entered the country illegally)
Max Montesino is not opposed to all laws that regulate immigration, but he is vehemently against any law that criminalizes the approximate 12 million undocumented people in the United States. (How can a bill criminalize something that is ILLEGAL. Can someone explain this to me)

A native of the Dominican Republic and the president of the Hispanic Leadership Coalition of Northeast Indiana, Montesino will be among thousands he expects to participate in an immigrants’ rights rally Sunday in downtown Fort Wayne. (Thousands, I doubt it)

The coalition, a local education and advocacy group, is organizing the rally to protest the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005 – otherwise known as HR 4437 – a bill that passed last year in the House of Representatives and was sent in January to the Senate Judiciary Committee for review.

The legislation amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to make illegal immigrants’ presence in the U.S. a criminal violation. Current law states that those living illegally in the U.S. are only violating civil law. (The House finally passed a bill that I overall agree with; that is rare anymore...)
“This law penalizes immigrants,” Montesino said. “We need to strengthen our borders, but we don’t need to support ill-intended, wrong legislation against those who are making an economic contribution to society.

“It lumps together terrorists and immigrants, and that’s absolutely wrong.”

The Senate Judiciary Committee has made several modifications to HR 4437, and the bill now includes legislation that gives illegal immigrants an opportunity to remain in the U.S. under certain stipulations and ultimately become legal residents. (The Republican controlled Senate is going to pass an AMNESTY program. Then the House will AGREE to the amnesty bill, mark my words. The the Republicans will lose the 2006 election...)
The committee passed the amended law Monday and sent it to the full Senate for a vote.
“It is a fluid situation,” said Montesino. “We don’t know if there will be a vote (by today). We expect the best and encourage the Senate to take into account the contributions of immigrants to this country.” (I encourage the Senate to wake up and realize that they cannot allow 12 million illegal aliens become citizens; it is ABSURD)

Richard Lugar, R-Ind., is among those in the Senate who opposed the initial version of the bill, said Lugar spokesman Andy Fisher.
Included in the Senate modifications to the immigration bill is the “The Dream (Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors) Act,” legislation that Lugar co-sponsored in 2003.
It allows undocumented immigrant students who grew up in the U.S. and graduated high school here to qualify for “conditional lawful permanent resident” status for up to six years. During this period, if the student goes to college or joins the military, they could be eligible to become permanent residents.
“Many changes can be expected to be made to the legislation during the Senate floor debate,” Fisher said. “Sen. Lugar hopes the Senate will consider a consensus bill that updates immigration policy in a comprehensive way.” (Luger sure has changed over the 36 years he has been in The Senate...)
Montesino hopes this as well. He said he has received phone calls from local Hispanics, church groups and African immigrants in support of the immigrants’ rights rally, and he said event organizers are reaching out to the Burmese community as well.

“The immigration issue is very important and people should be concerned,” he said. “On Sunday, we will be either celebrating passage of a comprehensive immigration bill, or protesting the fact (the Senate) couldn’t pass it, or pushing to keep the discussions going.”
Immigration rally
When: 1:15 p.m. Sunday
Where: The rally will start at the corner of South Harrison and Dewald streets. Participants will march through Calhoun Street and end at the courthouse on the Berry Street side.
I wonder how many mexican flags they will carry?



Andrew Kaduk said...

You GO girl!!! I suspect the local illegals are probably smart enough to realize that we are big enough pricks around here to snatch them right out of their ridiculous parade and put them on a bus back to TJ...

Robert Enders said...

"The legislation amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to make illegal immigrants’ presence in the U.S. a criminal violation. Current law states that those living illegally in the U.S. are only violating civil law."

Violating a CIVIL law does not make you a criminal. Currently these illegals are only detained long enough for them to be deported. If they are in fact made into criminals, that would easily fill up all available federal prison space.

The letter of the law already requires that illegals be deported. That is hard enough to enforce as it is. The new law would require that they be imprisoned for a length of time in a US prison, then deported. That will be even harder to do.

If they authorities even bother to enforce this new law properly, there will be more people in prison for illegal immigration than there will be for drug-related offences.

LP Mike Sylvester said...

You are correct Robert; however, consider the following:

Lets say we are talking about an illegal alien. Lets say he has been here for five years. Lets say he has obtained paperwork that enables him to work because he bought a FALSE social security number for a couple of thousand dollars.

So he is working under a false social security number that belongs to another person or has not been assigned yet. This is CLEARLY a violation of Federal law and would result in the person breaking MANY laws. Identity theft, falsifying social security information, etc.

So the person has committed SVERAL felonies...


How is he not a felon?

Next scenario the illegal alien comes to America and "works under the table." The illegal alien does NOT pay income taxes. This is a violation of several more Federal laws... This person is yet again a felon...


What do you think Robert?

Please explain...

Robert Enders said...

He should be tried under the existing laws that he has already violated. There is no need to criminalize illegal immigration itself.

There is a proposal in place that would allow current illegals to stay if they pay heavy fines and back taxes. They will not be allowed to become full-fledged citizens for another six years.

This would not reward illegal aliens. Legal aliens will still have an easier time obtaining citizenship. Rather, it saves the government the trouble of imprisoning or deporting 11 milion people.

These violations of the tax law would not take place as much when legal immigration is increased. All Libertarians know that the best way to reduce the crime rate is to make it easier to comply with the law.

LP Mike Sylvester said...

You bring up some very good points Robert.

I am starting to soften my stance on illegal immigration; a little...

What exactly do you propose...

Mike Sylvester

Robert Enders said...

The FIRST step should be to increase legal immigration. It will be easier to enforce immigration laws if immigrants have an easier time complying with them.

It is often said that granting amnesty to illegal immigrants is not fair to immigrants who took the time and effort to comply with the law. So I propose modest penelties that stop short of deportation for illegal immigrants who otherwise obey the law.

Many illegal immigrants were brought here as children and had no say in the decision to move here. They grew up in the US and have stronger ties here than they do back "home". In these cases, they should be allowed to stay and be allowed to pursue citizenship.

Illegal immigrants who came here of their own free will should be levied a fine. They must pay back taxes on all income earned in the US if any is owed. Many of them already have had taxes withheld from their paychecks. Also, if they do want to pursue citizenship, they must wait an extra five years.

Illegal immigrants who are working under a false SSN should be levied a fine equal to the amount that they had paid in Social Security taxes. In other words, they are not going to get a refund. They will not become eligible for Social Security benefits until they do become citizens. (As if I am ever going to get benefits myself.)

Those who have committed crimes or misdemenors unrelated to their immigration status(remember that illegal immigration is a civil matter right now) will face prosecution accordingly. Those who are convicted of a violent crime or a property crime involving an amount in excess of $100 are to be deported.

Robert Enders said...

I'm not opposed to any additional measures to promote physical border security either. From what I understand, the Minutemen group is only observing and reporting what they see to authorites. This is perfectly fine, even commendable. However, in the past certain individuals have gone on to the point of shooting or kidnaping aliens once they have crossed over the border. This cannot be allowed. As long as the Minutemen obey the law themselves, I have no problem with what they are doing.

William Larsen said...

Steven Camarota is the Research
Director for the Center of Immigration Studies. He spoke before a
panel, which provides quantitative support against amnesty for
illegal aliens as well as looking at increasing immigration.

I highly recommend you listen to his presentation. It is about 19 minutes long, but very, very informative. He does a very good job. When he refers to natives he is talking about U.S. Citizens.

In 2005 there were 4 million native’s unemployed and 19 million who stopped looking for work.

The share of unemployed with less education is way up.

The U.S. does not have a 5% unemployment rate. The 5% unemployment rate is used to support immigration.

Unemployment among less educated natives is up 11% while it is up 13% for dropouts.

The perception is the U.S. is in need of less educated workers, which is not true.

They already have the highest unemployment rate, the lowest wage rate and employment participation among less educated has declined dramatically.

They took the poorest workers and made them poorer.

Less educated immigrants and less educated natives do the same kinds of work.

There is no such thing as a job a native will not do.

Allowing legal status to illegals has enormous implications for America’s poorest workers.

America is not short of less educated workers given the high unemployment rate and the high number of less educated workers who have stopped looking.

We need controlled immigration so that our infrastructure is not over whelmed and also to know whom is in OUR country. I am not against immigration; I am against uncontrolled immigration. If you are here illegally, you are breaking our laws.

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The imigration party is here in fort wayne loocking doors to krogers loocking for illegal immigrants they are taking people aside asking for proof
why now now that there might be amnisty

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Anonymous said...

I want to know how to get rid of someone who is here illegally. My sister in law is living with an illegal alien and he is extremely abusive to her. He has broken her ribs, her nose, and now she is pregnant. We are scared for her life and she doesn't know why. How can I get rid of him?!?!?!??!

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