tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post5892503274638606467..comments2023-11-02T04:58:34.355-04:00Comments on Libertarian Party of Allen County, Indiana: Oops, six million dollar change for Harrison Square HotelJeannette Jaquishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00226385515110623744noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-90943418126903688982007-03-22T09:37:00.000-04:002007-03-22T09:37:00.000-04:00Paul:No, what I am saying is the six million dolla...Paul:<BR/><BR/>No, what I am saying is the six million dollar problem comes from a misunderstanding between the hotel developer and the City...<BR/><BR/>Mike SylvesterLP Mike Sylvesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06918776704117318033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-85505197721875830792007-03-22T00:38:00.000-04:002007-03-22T00:38:00.000-04:00Mike - I'm not arguing if there were more hotels.S...Mike - <BR/><BR/>I'm not arguing if there were more hotels.<BR/><BR/>So you're saying if we had 6 more million dollars from CRED we would still have a 6 million dollar problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-47384668460868841652007-03-21T23:44:00.000-04:002007-03-21T23:44:00.000-04:00Paul:No I do not agree.As the newspaper article st...Paul:<BR/><BR/>No I do not agree.<BR/><BR/>As the newspaper article stated, if the CRED would have been 12 million rather then six million more hotel developers MIGHT have responded to the RFP.<BR/><BR/>Mike SylvesterLP Mike Sylvesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06918776704117318033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-77924050167112427272007-03-21T23:37:00.000-04:002007-03-21T23:37:00.000-04:00It would have still been a problem due to miscommu...It would have still been a problem due to miscommunications during negotiations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-47228681640891538522007-03-21T23:32:00.000-04:002007-03-21T23:32:00.000-04:00Mike - Do you agree or not that the 6 million doll...Mike - <BR/><BR/>Do you agree or not that the 6 million dollar problem would not exist if the CRED money would have been up to what was promised?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-23937154427243924572007-03-21T21:27:00.000-04:002007-03-21T21:27:00.000-04:00Paul:No the six million dollars does not come from...Paul:<BR/><BR/>No the six million dollars does not come from the CRED.<BR/><BR/>The RFP sent out on Dec 21st 2006 tells the motel excatly how much CRED money is avilable.<BR/><BR/>The City knew when it sent out the RFP that the CRED would be six million not twelve. That is spelled out in the RFP...<BR/><BR/>Please read the article again...<BR/><BR/>The article is stating that one of the reasons that there was only one respondent to the RFP is because the CRED was six million not twleve.<BR/><BR/>The respondent KNEW that they were getting six million in CRED.<BR/><BR/>Mike SylvesterLP Mike Sylvesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06918776704117318033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-86408485543388293882007-03-21T20:32:00.000-04:002007-03-21T20:32:00.000-04:00Nice, Paul.Finally, someone who does their homewor...Nice, Paul.<BR/><BR/>Finally, someone who does their homework.<BR/><BR/>I'm just so sick of all the negativity within the Libertarian Party.<BR/><BR/>It seems like they want everything in this city to fail. Super Wal-Marts and strip malls seem to be the only economic development they favor.<BR/><BR/>Mayor Harry BaalsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-14892397594372581952007-03-21T20:25:00.000-04:002007-03-21T20:25:00.000-04:00http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/167284...http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/<BR/>16728425.htm<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sorry the link was cut offChange Fort Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363312603848489993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-41574006207418980802007-03-21T20:24:00.000-04:002007-03-21T20:24:00.000-04:00http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/167284...http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/16728425.htm<BR/><BR/>"and decreased subsidy – from $12 million to $6 million"<BR/><BR/>Equals exactly 6 Million Dollars missing.<BR/><BR/>Plus, the 6 million that they are getting is only 13% (if I round up), not 25%.Change Fort Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363312603848489993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-85439052156086441622007-03-21T20:20:00.000-04:002007-03-21T20:20:00.000-04:00A parking problem in Fort Wayne?? Are you people ...A parking problem in Fort Wayne?? Are you people serious? Have you ever been to Chicago, New York or Philly?<BR/><BR/>Get out of you cars and WALK!<BR/><BR/>Mayor Harry BaalsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-75275643888999581292007-03-21T17:00:00.000-04:002007-03-21T17:00:00.000-04:00Paul:You are correct that the Mitch Daniels Admini...Paul:<BR/><BR/>You are correct that the Mitch Daniels Administration has limited how much CRED money is available for certain projects; however, that is a conversation for another day...<BR/><BR/>I do not think you are correct that ANY of the six million hotel shortfall is due to CRED. I think the entire six million is due to the fact the the hotel thought that they were going to get more parking revenue from the publicly funded parking garage. I think that Hardball Capital, The Hotel, and the City all want Parking Garage Revenue...<BR/><BR/>While I think that parking culd be improved downtown, there is not a shortage in my opinion.<BR/><BR/>I find it interesting that one of the Cities goals is to get people to walk to and from the game. A parking garage defeats the purpose.<BR/><BR/>Mike SylvesterLP Mike Sylvesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06918776704117318033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-35252341409604459402007-03-21T16:43:00.000-04:002007-03-21T16:43:00.000-04:00If you look at the definition of the original CRED...If you look at the definition of the original CRED money that people should be getting for development downtown: <BR/><BR/>"This designation allows for a 25% investment tax credit for qualified investment that occurs downtown."<BR/><BR/>Instead developers are getting a lump sum, after an agreement with the state that occured due to the Newspaper getting screwed. I believe that the hotel would have made up more of than the 6M then whats missing in their funding.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I agree, I am against a parking garage of this size, if you think there is a parking problem, you are mistaken. I've lived downtown for the last three years, I have never had a problem finding a parking place more than a block away from where I need to be. People need to get our of their mentality of big box shopping. Just because something is not in direct sight, does not mean that it isnt close by.Change Fort Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363312603848489993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-92069591080984716362007-03-21T14:53:00.000-04:002007-03-21T14:53:00.000-04:00Paul:The referendum would die a horrible death. T...Paul:<BR/><BR/>The referendum would die a horrible death. The project would be voted down at lease 2 to 1 in my opinion. <BR/><BR/>Many people have said that older people tend to be against the project. I have news for you, older people vote... <BR/><BR/>Have you ever worked the polls Paul?<BR/><BR/>I think that a majority of citizens of Fort Wayne are against moving the baseball stadium... <BR/><BR/>Many are also against building a new parking garage...<BR/><BR/>The six million is NOT due to CRED. The six million is due to the hotel thinking they were going to get more parking revenue then Fort Wayne wants to give them from what I have heard...<BR/><BR/>Mike SylvesterLP Mike Sylvesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06918776704117318033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-52304050607193387662007-03-21T13:55:00.000-04:002007-03-21T13:55:00.000-04:00Sam T.I usually find it commendable when an electe...Sam T.<BR/>I usually find it commendable when an elected official takes an unpopular stance on an issue because of his or her principles. But isn't the success or failure of this kind project highly dependent on public support? If there are so many people opposed to this, can you really expect those same people to shop at Harrison Square after it's completed?<BR/>The Memorial Coliseum is a success because it is popular. The new stadium for the Colts will probably be considered to be a success since there is a lot of support for the Colts right now.<BR/>It takes a lot of guts to take a stand then come out onto a blog that takes an opposing stand to make your case. But if you ever find that there will not be enough support for this project to work, then it will take even more courage to admit that and vote against this plan.Robert Endershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592475828737641009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-9662401128895719212007-03-21T13:35:00.000-04:002007-03-21T13:35:00.000-04:00Kat -Well if there was a referendum, then the vote...Kat -<BR/><BR/>Well if there was a referendum, then the vote would probably look a lot like the forums going on, those are the people that actually care about the project. Those would be the ones that would actually care enough to go out and vote.<BR/><BR/>Referendum for everything over 10M? How slow do you like your government to work? Long live our representative democracy.<BR/><BR/>As for the missing 6 million, we should hold our state government responsible for that. We should be able to trust that our government should own up to its word when it promises a certain amount of CRED money.Change Fort Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363312603848489993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-81756285691621270652007-03-21T10:51:00.000-04:002007-03-21T10:51:00.000-04:00Sam,Why does disagreeing with YOU translate in you...Sam,<BR/><BR/>Why does disagreeing with YOU translate in your mind to my having bitterness about Ft. Wayne and it's leaders?<BR/><BR/>Nice ad hominem attacks, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-53481003095397786852007-03-21T10:26:00.000-04:002007-03-21T10:26:00.000-04:00Kevin,Stewart's point is right on the money and sh...Kevin,<BR/><BR/>Stewart's point is right on the money and shows how poorly this project has been rolled out. I mean if the populace is a bunch of easily-led automatons then surely the public would be squarely behind this project right?Jeff Pruitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996970649630375507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-16678474004559329192007-03-21T10:20:00.000-04:002007-03-21T10:20:00.000-04:00Sam,Why don't you give up the pretense of having a...Sam,<BR/>Why don't you give up the pretense of having an open mind about this thing. There are few of us that feel anything would sway you away from voting for this thing no matter how bad.<BR/><BR/>Your actions and words these past few months have shown that you have no objectivity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-42132613536283764932007-03-21T10:10:00.000-04:002007-03-21T10:10:00.000-04:00Kat,Either way that I end up voting, it will be co...Kat,<BR/><BR/>Either way that I end up voting, it will be contrary to the will of some segment of constituents.<BR/><BR/>I have actually received many more calls and emails for Harrison Square than I have received against. However, I do understand that citizens tend to gravitate toward those who share their opinion. In other words, I am sure Tom Smith is getting a lot more opponents calling him.<BR/><BR/>Kat, its great to see that you continue to harbor such bitter feelings about Fort Wayne and its leaders even from your new home hundreds of miles away. It sounds like you are already complaining about things in Nashville, so it sounds like you are feeling comfortable down south. <BR/><BR/>Sam T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-41836331196323210672007-03-21T10:07:00.000-04:002007-03-21T10:07:00.000-04:00"And the will of the constituents be damned!!!! "R..."And the will of the constituents be damned!!!! "<BR/><BR/>Reminds me of a quote I read recently from Jon Stewart- "You have to remember one thing about the will of the people: it wasn't that long ago that we were swept away by the macarena".<BR/><BR/>;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-51735844008473154012007-03-20T17:22:00.000-04:002007-03-20T17:22:00.000-04:00As for voting, my vote will be cast based on the f...<I>As for voting, my vote will be cast based on the final proposal that comes before council in April, period. </I><BR/><BR/>And the will of the constituents be damned!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-47399765281305311482007-03-20T17:21:00.000-04:002007-03-20T17:21:00.000-04:00Why don't the people ever get to vote on anything?...<I>Why don't the people ever get to vote on anything?</I><BR/><BR/>You do. You get to vote on your representatives to the City Council.<BR/><BR/>(Note the timeliness of the announcement of <A HREF="http://allencountylp.blogspot.com/2007/03/allen-county-libertarians-running-for.html" REL="nofollow">two libertarians running for City Council.</A>)<BR/><BR/>If I still lived in Fort Wayne you'd better believe that I'd be pushing for a referendum law that required any development project reiquiring more than $10million of city money to be approved via referendum instead of closed council vote.<BR/><BR/>But that's just how we libertarians roll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-81311301378538137922007-03-20T16:54:00.000-04:002007-03-20T16:54:00.000-04:00Why don't the people ever get to vote on anything?...Why don't the people ever get to vote on anything?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-70853314712004425662007-03-20T15:24:00.000-04:002007-03-20T15:24:00.000-04:00Not only do I have a conscience, I actually sign m...Not only do I have a conscience, I actually sign my name under my post. As for voting, my vote will be cast based on the final proposal that comes before council in April, period. <BR/><BR/>Sam T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-32959130869564713872007-03-20T15:22:00.000-04:002007-03-20T15:22:00.000-04:00Sam.Marriot website.. thats not the pointthere are...Sam.<BR/><BR/>Marriot website.. thats not the point<BR/><BR/>there are just too many discrepancies surrounding the financials of this deal!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Case in point... newspapers articles today by Kevin LeiningerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com