tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post4315565471650169546..comments2023-11-02T04:58:34.355-04:00Comments on Libertarian Party of Allen County, Indiana: Point to ponder about the Smoking BanJeannette Jaquishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00226385515110623744noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-3791293801005081342007-11-16T02:16:00.000-05:002007-11-16T02:16:00.000-05:00It's all about the money, power and well...We all ...It's all about the money, power and well...We all understand.bobetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09246946533738415063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-77000070151308267332007-11-15T06:38:00.000-05:002007-11-15T06:38:00.000-05:00Jeff makes an interesting statement. The bar busin...Jeff makes an interesting statement. The bar business is one of ups and downs.<BR/><BR/>Here we have a city government saying they are doing "what is right" for the people in the smoking ban. Yet, we get a tax break for a Micky Ds. What percentage of thier food menu is great food for the body? You do not even have to be 21 to buy the junk food!J Q Taxpayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00524418780704474919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-31153899871410304592007-11-15T01:24:00.000-05:002007-11-15T01:24:00.000-05:00Sorry, but as a long time patron of 4D's there are...Sorry, but as a long time patron of 4D's there are many reasons that the place is suffering and don't believe for a second it has to do with the smoking ban. <BR/><BR/>I was a regular customer long before Hamid took over and I was a regular customer for a long time after he took over. In the beginning Hamid turned the place around. However under his ownership it never had an identity. It was a karaoke bar, then a neighborhood bar, then a dance club, etc. <BR/><BR/>Also, they originally had a couple of decent cooks and served up good food - the pizza was excellent for some time. However, Hamid started skimping on everything and purchasing bottom of the barrel food products - pizza crust being one of them. But it didn't stop there, Hamid raised prices and hired questionable people; some were loyal employees from his other business establishments but were simply lousy bartenders and wait staff. <BR/><BR/>The food became so bad that I wouldn't even eat the pizza on Sundays when it was $5 for a large or eat the $.50 tacos on Monday night because they weren't worth the money. <BR/><BR/>The restaurant/bar business is very competitive and if you don't give people quality service and food then your business will suffer. That's what happened at 4Ds and anyone that's been a regular will likely tell you the same thing...Jeff Pruitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996970649630375507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-81917674593371517572007-11-14T21:24:00.000-05:002007-11-14T21:24:00.000-05:00They are going to follow the crowds, right out of ...<I>They are going to follow the crowds, right out of town.</I><BR/><BR/>.......10 miles up the road to Martin's Tavern!!!!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thanks, suckers! Our Thursday and weekend crowds in Garrett have been absolutely SWEET thanks to The Ban.<BR/><BR/>Keep 'em coming...every time the attendance spikes at one of my band's performances (www.martinsallstars.com), my pay goes up! I'm making over $30/hr plus free booze, smokes and food!<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah, and I get to enjoy my free booze, smokes and food in the comfort of...well, anywhere I choose: Inside, outside, upside down.Andrew Kadukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944123518135308325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-15617728288622518902007-11-14T20:03:00.000-05:002007-11-14T20:03:00.000-05:00Great write up Ken. Only one flaw: your post pre...Great write up Ken. Only one flaw: your post presumes that the City Council cares about failing small businesses.Templeton Peckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13692863784615105944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-88977252228666765002007-11-14T19:50:00.000-05:002007-11-14T19:50:00.000-05:00Mike, Ken offers an extremely well worded and effe...Mike, Ken offers an extremely well worded and effective post. (I have copied this from the other smoking ban post right after this one.)<BR/><BR/>Smoking-bans in adult establishments is an ill-conceived regulation brought about by weak and pandering politicians with a never ending need to feel good about themselves by cowtowing to a vocal minority of whiners. They love being able to perceive themselves as doing something altruistic or worthy to save humanity. Case in point, John Crawford. I'm sure Dr. Crawford is right, smoking will probably cause cancer. However, I'm an adult, I take the risk, and may or may not suffer the consequences. I may die of cancer and I may get hit by a bus or an illegal alien with a newly minted drivers license. Life is frought with peril, but I'm an adult, and I want to make my own decisions, I don't want the government to shield me from everything they deem might be bad for me. God knows they are not right vey often.<BR/><BR/>As for 2nd hand smoke killing all those around me. Again, a little common sense goes a long way. If smokers' (in nightclubs or bars) 2nd hand smoke were killing people, there would in fact be, a whole lot more dead people. Life expectancy is at an all time high,and lung cancer rates are steady if not decreasing and I don't recall ever reading about anyone who was hospitalized by a night out at Pierres because of second hand smoke. Is it good for you? Probably not, is it bad enough to harm you? Again probably not. <BR/><BR/>By and large it's an INCONVENIENCE to NON smokers, an irritation. That is unfortunate, but we're all adults and we can choose what irritations in life to put up with and hang out where smokers are, or go elsewhere and NOT hang out where smokers frequent.<BR/><BR/>ON TOP OF THAT:<BR/><BR/>Legally, it's a property rights issue with bars and taverns. No government ANYWHERE should be able to ban a PERFECTLY LEGAL PRODUCT SOLD IN THE USA from being used in a LEGAL, GOVERNMENT LICENSED, PERMIT HOLDING, TAX PAYING PRIVATELY OWNED BUSINESS BY ADULTS OF LEGAL AGE. This argument hasn't been tested in a higher court of law simply because no one has had the money or has wanted to spend the money to fight it in court. (200k minimum I'm sure) When someone finally does (if it's not too late) they will win hands down on the legal merits of private property & consenting/paying adults.<BR/><BR/>Taking away the rights of adults and killing off legitimate businesses to pacify the hysterical rantings of politically correct pansies who don't like the smell of cigarette smoke is absurd. <BR/><BR/>May I respectfully request you go BABYSIT SOMEBODY ELSE, I'M OK.Tim Zankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619436377992741061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11887973.post-79000490864846763902007-11-14T19:14:00.000-05:002007-11-14T19:14:00.000-05:00That is a great post and something people need to ...That is a great post and something people need to think about.<BR/>The effect the smoking ban has on local bands. It's not much fun playing to a small crowed like that. Bars will stop hiring local talent because people just don't want to go out to the bars since they can't smoke, so it will be hard for them to cover the cost of having bands, and they really need something to draw people in. What is going to be next, "ladies drink free" or $.05 beer. type stuff? It's bad enough hearing that "dollar dollar dollar" radio ad.Parsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06788715750503400235noreply@blogger.com